For a rav to have sexual relations with above-18-year-old male students (that's the allegation) is not just an issue of your cup of tea, Rafi.

Though the police (and Attorney General, who Takana asked at the time) do not view this as a Criminal case - it is surely highly inappropriate conduct for a rabbi.

I'm surprised at you Rafi. Just because the police can't criminally prosecute doesn't make the person innocent. How many of the 613 are criminal offenses?

that may be so, but how can you legally discriminate against him any further.

By the way, I didnt say the old yeshiva has to give him his job back. he can go look for a job teaching and whoever hires him, knowing his past, is fine. He should be allowed to teach. if his former students want him to teach them in private gatherings, as has been discussed, he should not be disallowed any longer from doing so.
Again, I didnt say the old yeshiva has to rehire him. Let him go look for a job. maybe he will only find a job in a yeshiva for homosexuals.

One more thing, if we attack yeshivas and rabbonim for avoiding the process and not going through the police and protecting the molestors, here is a case where it went through the police and he was now found innocent. Yet you still want him to be treated as if he was found guilty. So what is the point of going through the process if you are going to excommunicate him anyhow?

Rafi,
I am shocked at how you are completely missing the point.
The police only determined that he did nothing illegal. I don't think there is a legal problem in not hiring a rav, or for a private organization to suggest no hiring a rav, if he does not live up to a certain religious standard. How about a rosh yeshiva who lends money for interest or eats basar b'chalav?

The police may be good for cases where the alleged act is also illegal.

if he opens a yeshiva, parents will have to decide if they want him as the role model for their kids. if a yeshiva is approached to hire him, they will have to weigh whether they want to. I didnt say a yeshiva has to hire him, but if there is demand for him to teach, if a yeshiva wants to hire him, he has been cleared for it.

didnt he say anyway that all that was in his past and is no longer an issue?
if someone lent with interest and then does teshuva, does he not deserve a second chance? if you believe he did teshuva, that is... a yeshiva will have to make that determination

Only Takana banned him from teaching. That is there prerogative. There is nothing legally preventing a yeshiva from hiring him.

whoever thinks the Torah he has to offer is greater than his personal issues, is welcome to hire him. I would not want him as a role model for my kids, and I would not be interested in hearing his shiurim. But that doesnt mean there are other people who would see otherwise.

I am just saying that if you go through the proper process, at the end the outcome has to have made it worthwhile. if he is found innocent yet you pillage him anyway, what is to stop someone next time from not cooperating because he has nothing to gain anyway. He will say that even if he will be found innocent you will ban him, so why should he bother...

So take the Torah he offers online, but without the face-to-face learning. That's the best of all worlds.

personally I am not interested in his Torah even on-line. But if others want more than that, and want the more personal rebbe relationship (pun intended), he should not necessarily be passuled from attaining employment.

Rafi,

Criminal cases are not always what proves a person guilty. Just look around at Mondrowitz, Kolko etc.....They have been able to walk free. Does this mean they are innocent. Absolutely not. According to the Takana, Rav Elon has a problem. He cannot and should not have contact with male students in person.

He is innocent in the eyes of the law. But he is presenting himself as a fit representative of orthodox Judaism. Even liberal clergy reject the idea of extra-marital affairs or using one's pastoral and teaching role to solicit sexual relations.

Thus 1. he is a raging, unrepentant hypocrite; 2. a liar. 3. someone who broke his pledges to takanah when they did him the favor of not publicly outing him. In return he undertook to remove himself from teaching. Obvioiusly he also undertook to stop sexually exploiting his students.

Yes, by law he can go on being a menuval. David Morris was not asking a legal question. He was asking an ethical question.

I viewed his video on his new site. He wasnt merely sharing texts. I was a video of him with older boys or younger men. He is using his landmark hugs and hand holding. Sorry. But I will bet that he will revert to form.

If I knew a young fellow vulnerable to manipulation by a charismatic guy, I would keep him a million miles away from Elon. If it was your son and you percieved him to have those vulnerabilities I'll bet you would keep him away if it was in your power.

So my question is: if you wouldn't trust him in that situation why are you endorsing him and promoting his access to other potential victims?

Rafi - I wanna know why "Tzedek Tzedek" doesn't show up on your blogroll.

didnt he say anyway that all that was in his past and is no longer an issue?

would be nice. unfortunately with sexual deviance studies show they often revert.

and there are just some behaviors that, no matter how sorry someone is afterward, they just aren't fit for religiously responsible roles ever again.

"menuval"

I think that's exactly how god describes it. how funny and how ironic that a sub group of a despised race has the shamelessness to publicly disparage and judge other different people.

Do you really think that next time they will only round up gays and leave the jews alone?

you're the menuval.

I think torture is a bad choice of word. How is it "torturing" him to protest his continuing in a profession where he acted like a hypocrite and manipulated people who came to him for counseling?
You can be sure that in a few years, he will convince a younger generation that while he made mistakes, he won't make them again. But based on our community's experience, he'll do it again.
This is assuming that the students even find out about it, of course. No one likes to talk about these things.